His Vision For Me - Christine Hayworth & Pastor Joe Valenzuela | Masterclass Episode 6

So you asked the question, how do you train up and lead the next generation? I think it's important that you let that generation have a voice. This idea that every Sunday we can guarantee that God's going to meet us in the 45 minute presentation, ladies and gentlemen, it is just not how it works in the sacred narrative. How does he give you a heart for such a specific place? And then to really see the stats and to really say, we want to make change and it's possible. You know, the hardest part in leading change is not where you leave and it's not when you get there. That spot in the middle to sometimes in your weakness, foolishness, not getting it. God's like, he just does it anyway. If there's a core issue in my faith and I can't see God right and I'll demand he does for me quickly, what my character can only handle slowly. How do you know what you're speaking into until you hear where they're coming from? I have to see that proper rest and replenishment wasn't in the way. It was the way. I will borrow from what's on the inside of you and bring it out. So the quality goes in before the song comes out. Humility is this acceptance of who you really are, who God really is, that puts you in a posture to encounter God in a genuine and authentic way. Welcome to Voices from the Masterclass, a special faithfully podcast series brought to you by Faithly, preaching Masterclass and leading leaders collective. Past Adam Durso here for Faithly's stories. We are live at the preaching Masterclass and one of the MC's Joe to my right is co-hosting this podcast of Joe. How you doing? How you doing? What's going on, man? I'm so stoked to be here. I love the preaching Masterclass. It has been a good year. Yeah. 2025 is already a banger of a year. It's a year to remember. So as we get ready for the years to come, you need to be in the room with us. You need to be present with us, but meanwhile we got this podcast and we got a great guest with us today. Yes, we do, sir. Absolutely, Christine. Hey. Yes. Stay with us up to the audience. Hey, audience. What's up? I am excited to be here. Man, I was, I didn't know what to expect coming to the Masterclass. Like I've known Albert Tate for years. He's like a brother to me. Sure. But being here and just experiencing God has been just life changing for me. I told him last night, the Holy Spirit literally prompted me to leave and go to my room and just spend some time with God. Come on. Stay here and mingle and do the whole thing. What I've done in you, let's just rest in that. And so I literally went and got some Chipotle. It was nothing else open. I sat on the balcony and I just like rested in, in God, it's been so long since I've had an opportunity to genuinely do that. So being here and hearing the word, it never, the word never leaves for you. Like it's just, this is not a fluff conference. Pro. Oh, let's just, let's just, let's just, like, we're sitting here and preaching Masterclass. I mean, I'll be 30 years of ministry next year. Wow. And I've been to a lot of conferences. This is not fluff. No, this is different. This is a different kind of room. It's a beast. The room is a beast. Yeah. Like the person you sit next to you, like, oh, dude, oh, there's legends in the room. I feel like I'm like, I'm sitting next to how many Grammy award winners, like what? I'm sitting next to what kind of preacher, what kind of church are they leading, what kind of church are they planting. It is insane. The kind of connection that I've made, but it's not a networking event, right? And that's what's so meaningful is that everybody is honestly here to learn about how to communicate God's word and the process. We're being refreshed, renewed, and we're growing. We're growing together. It's just a knitting that's happening. That's really unique. What I love is the authenticity in how people, like, literally, there's pastors on the floor in the back, you know, it was coming from the bathroom and they're on the floor, like, literally laying prostrate, like, praising the thing. Like, literally, how often do you get an opportunity to just be in God's presence like that as a pastor or a leader when you're not ministering? Yeah, let me tell you, not often. I know. Not often. Right. Even going up to the altar last night, I went up to the altar for God to refresh and to do, and I can see the hesitation in so many of us around us, because it's like, we're used to working the altar, right? So like, what do we, we just stand here and get prayed for? You almost don't even know what to do. You don't start like detoxing from, from, from carrying that weight joke, and so people, it really feels like the weight is literally being pulled off by the saints, like, we have, we have family here, people, friends that have become family here that are literally taking the weight off and going, it's okay, it's okay to sit in the presence of, of God. It's okay to go back to those first days where you first met Jesus. Do you remember those days? That's what I felt like last night. It's a safe place. It was like, God, you met me all over again. The contents rich, the Holy Spirit and, and by the way, this podcast is not an infomercial for the preaching. No, it's not. We're just live here in the morning, and I'm telling you this morning's worship was, like, it started with some, like, contemporary Matt Redman, then, you know, Jonathan McRennels went, come on. I don't even know if it was a plan. It was. So let me just say I've got the runner show in his not planned, and then I'm looking down. I'm like, the past hour, take this, make his own altar call, like, my man is literally on his face at the altar. So I'm going to just say this, if you don't have it on your schedule, come on. Preaching Masterclass, I'll put it on the lower third or something. You need to find it, get the sessions, because the meat in this room, the content is crazy and the Lord is here. Get this on. It'll be on my schedule. It'll be on my schedule to be in the room, be here because this is fine. This is new life rhythm for me. Yeah. This is absolutely new life rhythm. But what's so interesting, Christine, is that you said that this conference has been life changing for you. Yeah. We're less than 12 hours into it overall. But you're a part of an organization that's changing so many lives, literally changing people's lives, saving lives. Yes. Can you tell us a little bit about World Vision? What is it? Yeah. So World Vision is one of the largest Christian nonprofit organizations in the world. Yeah. So we work in close to 100 different countries with boots on the ground in every single country and we're literally transforming lives. Like, I love to describe it as, we're not there to give a handout. We're given the hand, we're given the opportunity that so many people don't have. As you know, Pastor, literally there are people that just need a little something for today. Like they are, and even the worship, you know, everything is so different because of the desperation. And so we get to walk alongside of people. That's my favorite part. So I grew up in church. I'll tell you a little bit. I grew up in church. Pastor's kid, you know, very, very holiness or hell type of background where it was like listen, even wearing red lipstick, you know, you was going to hell. It was all, you was going to hell for everything. And everything was in and so I literally felt at some point that man, I'm just not going to make it, you know. But if I'm going to hell, I might as well go all the way, right? So I left God for 10 years, just got out there on my own, literally chasing freedom and found myself in bondage. So drugs, alcohol, substances, all kinds of substances, homelessness. I woke up like the prodigal son sleeping on my friend's porch, like what am I doing? You know, I, I got attacked. I got a beat up, you know, a jump, you held at gunpoint, all kind of things. And this is not the background that I came from, but I was literally chasing freedom. And so I remember just coming back to God in such a way where I was like, God, if you're real, I'm the church kid. I mean, I was prophesying at 12 years old. I really grew up in this thing, but did not feel qualified in him and then went in a world and lost my identity. So when I came back to Christ, it was very slow, you know, but it was like, God, if you're real, help me, you know, rebuild me. And I didn't go to church for like two years. I went back home to my parents house. There was an anointing that rested there. I stayed in that room and I let God do the work. I let him do the work. I gave him the opportunity to do what he needed to do in me. And so I remember making a vision board. And on that board, you know, I'm, I live in LA. I'm from LA, right? So it's Hollywood all the way, you know, it's like everybody's this, everybody. So man, so fake, right? So I usually had done a vision board with everything, a big house, a big car, a big this, a big that. And for the first time, I partnered with God on what is your vision for me? Wow. Like, I don't really the question. It's not just here's my vision for what? What's your vision? Because you had intent when you created, when you formed me in the womb and knew me, my days were numbered, speak to that and what, what is that, you know? And so trying to figure that out. And so I went out to self identify who I want to be. And I think that's the problem is that when we talk about manifesting and doing all these things and I want my life to be, you may want that, but what is God wants your life to be? And yes, he does hear the desires of our hearts, but we have to be faithful to him. We have to stay on our face with him. We have to die to ourselves. And then he fulfills those desires. So I have everything that I wanted in the flesh on the board, but it didn't come from that. It came from the spirit. It came from me spending time with God, giving him my first fruit. And then in return, he began to bless me with those desires that were in my heart. So everything shifted and I went back to church. And one of my first Sundays that church was a mission Sunday. And they had like all these missionaries out on the grass and on my vision board for some reason, I don't even like kids that much at the time. Like, all these little kids like reaching out for help. And I was like, why do I want to help these kids? You know, I won't even babysit. That's how bad I am. And this is on the new vision board. On the new vision board. God had given you. All right. Once you decide to partner with God, this is not a part of the agenda at all. So I just want people to hear this. This was not on the agenda at all to have a picture of a little kids. And you're like, no, no, no, I don't want no cheeto finger kids on my vision board. No one else not. No one on none of it. Okay. And then the first day you go to church and then what happens? There's this mission Sunday. And they had missionaries from all around the world. And I began to go and talk to them. And I began to hear their stories. And one of them said, well, why don't you come with me on a mission? We have a trip coming up in a few months. And I was open to it. I'm like, okay, sure. You know, I've always wanted to go, but sometimes they're expensive and there's all the different things. And so I went on that first mission trip and that's where God changed everything. He changed it all. I was able to see and feel him in a different way. And my problems became so small compared to what was happening in other parts of the world. You know, that's so important. I've taken my kids all over the world to see, so my kids are 22, 21 and 20 and they have grown up seeing the world, realizing that every kid doesn't turn on their faucet and clean water come out that, you know, there's a reality to that. And then it begins to think, you start to think, well, maybe my problems aren't as big as I think they are because in light of somebody thinking, where is my next meal going to come from? How am I going to survive to tomorrow versus somebody that liked me on Instagram or, you know, but even speaking on social media, it's like we think that social media expands us to the world. I actually think it just curates our world more. And so what we're seeing when we go on these experiences, like you experience, I've had my own experiences at 18, going to Thailand, never been on a plane in my life. Somebody told me, like, hey, go on this mission trip because you just met Jesus and I'm like, well, I guess all Christians do this. Apparently they don't. I was just young and dumb and so I did it. And what God did is he just removed the blinders. He removed my curation. He took away that lens that I had. He took away that vision board and he went, like, do you see how big this world is? You really think I'm like, I'm this small, no, I have so much more. And so with you, once you went on that trip, how did that connection go from there to now working with World Vision because that's a pretty big gap? I realized that, you know, of all my training and church, all the things, I mean, being a pastor's kid, you can do anything, right? You learn very quickly. You can usher, you can preach, you can play a drum, a organ, you're the janitor, you're all the things. But what do God, what do you want me to be? You know, and so going on this trip, I felt like I had found my purpose. And I began to identify with the people that were most vulnerable and had it always been my heart because regardless of what, you know, I may look like on the outside, I want to be with the people. I want to be with God's people. And so sitting with those women and having babies die in my arms from things that were preventable, preventable diseases, just not having access to them. You need to care. I mean, giving birth with dirty water and getting infections and dying, the baby's first interaction with life is with dirty water, you know, not even clean. And so how do we, how is this happening? You know, and this was about probably 15 years ago now, how is this still happening? And it's still happening today. And so the small problems that we think of are just crazy compared to the larger picture. And so I went to a dinner, I began to be really diligent. And I realized that not only did God want to use my voice in this space, but he wanted to use me. And I was anointed to do it. And so I would come back and I would tell people about what I experienced and all of a sudden more people want to give, more people want to go. And so I'm leading these trips and I'm doing all these things and God is using me. And I finally felt like this is where I'm called to do outside of these walls. And so I went to a luncheon, I was invited to a luncheon and it was late, actually it was a dinner. It was late. And I don't like to be late. I'm a very timely person. So my husband's like, but if we made a commitment, we're going to go. And so I'm like, no, I can't just be showing up late, you know, I'm so mad. I'm sitting in a very back, you know, trying to be inconspicuous. And there's a world vision presentation happening in the front. And so the leader, after the dinner, the leader comes over to me and he says, I want to talk to you about possibly working with world vision. And I was like, you don't even know me. I just got here. Like, we don't, he's like, I seen you when you walked in and the Lord just placed you on my heart. And I want to tell me more about you and what you do. And so never in a million years that I think that I would be working for an organization that this job, if I had to make up a dream job, this would be it. Like if I had to write down, what is my drink? Like what would you want to do? I'm doing exactly what I absolutely love to do. And that's helping people and families transform their lives. And then seeing the mutual transformation, right? Like you're talking about the kids, my favorite thing, let's take these kids to see the other side of the world. Because had I seen that at 15 or 16, I'd probably be the president of the world vision. I'd probably be the president of, you know, sometimes because when God gets a hold of you and you get to see, you can't help but respond because that's innately who we are as people. And so I just been there for seven years now, have broken all kind of records in sponsorship and seeing communities get clean water that we didn't think would happen for 10 years. It's happening in five or four, you know, but it's God's anointing on my life to do these things and I take no credit for it. It's amazing to me that when you go to a foreign country and you think I'm bringing. Come on. Jesus to do it. Yeah. And then you realize, no, Jesus is already here, first of all, and you leave more blessed. You learn from the learning. You learn from the experience and you're like, no, I thought I was bringing something. I thought I was coming here to help them and you realize, I thought I was doing the saving. Right. And then I'm like, no, no, no, I'll get back on the plane. I'm more blessed now than when I got here. I'm walking away knowing that it has sharpened edified, you know, and added to what God is doing in my life in this season. Yes. And I love what you said. You said all these things are preventable. Like none of these things are massive building projects. I mean, maybe there are some building projects, but none of these are like the kind of building projects we see in the Western world. None of these things are out of reach where we're just like, yeah, we need three years of funding to figure this out. You're saying clean water. You're saying, you're saying, I'm telling me more. I don't know anything. I don't know anything. Think about this, right? Like you're literally building the credibility. You need on the ground there to preach Jesus. Yes. Yes. By bringing and meeting real needs, like, you know, James is like the real religion, like the one that God cares about, not the one that, you know, with our LED walls and lights and I might hate not. No, no, no. But he's like, you know, real religion is looking after the widow and the orphan. Yes. It matters to God. Yes. And so, you know, having been on multiple world vision trips, yeah, having traveled to Rwanda. I remember, I remember going to Myanmar and we literally, we were in Thailand and we crossed over into Myanmar. I've got my son who was, I think, 12 at the time and I'm thinking to myself, like as we go into this communist country, where like it's controlled by warlords, like everybody's got guns and I'm like, if I don't come home, my boy, yeah. My poor hurricane wife is going to kill me. Oh, yeah. Don't even come home. No, don't come home. I already had to convince my wife that I'm going to take my 12 year old to Thailand. I didn't tell her we were crossing over into a communist country. But here's what's crazy. They so welcomed us warmly because at the time, eight out of every 10 children were dying at birth because of a lack of prenatal care and clean water. We had now gotten involved and now eight out of 10 kids were surviving. Yes. Healthy because of prenatal care out of 10 kids who are living lives now. That's good. I think we can just get so tied into the numbers where it feels like nothing but like eight children. Like what's your kid's name? Justin. Justin. Yeah. Eight Justin's who are now thriving and maybe they're walking through their own stories but they wouldn't have a story if it wasn't for prenatal care. So we're now sharing the gospel with a bunch of guys surrounding us with like eight cave. I'm not going to go. Whatever these huge goats were and they're letting us share the gospel because part of paving the way for the gospel isn't just a spoken word. It's the word incarnate. Come on. Yes. And that's what I love. We've watched communities. So world vision, you know, we go into some of the hardest places as you know, right? And so we've watched Muslims come to Jesus through our programs saying like, listen, I need to know this God that you serve. Why are you here? Why do you care? Why do you? And so you don't go in the, you go in the community. You let the gospel speak for itself. You let the gospel. You be the gospel. We don't have to convert. We don't have to. The Lord will do the work. But like you said, just showing up and and that's what I really got tired of within the Western churches like everything I can't do. Well, what can I do? Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, can I just have the freedom to, because I just want to be with the people. Yeah. It's hard to the right. I don't need the LED. I don't need the smoke. All I need is a no shade. Like you said, but all I need is to be with God. How do we make tangible change? Yes. And so seeing lives being changed, seeing children, I mean, I, one of my closest friends, his mother from Africa, he was the sponsor child. His mother wouldn't even name him until he was five years old. His children under five were dying over 50%. Yes. So they didn't. The mothers don't even want to attach a name to the child because they don't want to be attached to that baby because they have such a low survival rate. So they just called him boy. They just called him this and he never had a name until he was five years old. And that's the kind of life that people are living on the other side of the world. While we're arguing over, you know, a seat in the front row or just, you know, some of the petty stuff and people are literally dying and need our help. And you're saying people are literally dying and need your help. And that's where world version stepping in with those specific needs. Yeah. We start with clean water. So our mission is really what I love is it's a community-based mission. And so we go into a community and we say there for 10 to 15 years. So it starts with clean water, water, sanitation, hygiene. Then it goes into education and then it goes into the health clinics. And then so the next thing you know, this community is completely transformed, economic empowerment, which is my favorite. You know, allowing people to have savings groups and giving them their chickens and allowing them to, I mean, my sponsor kid, we bought him cows, you know, that was our gift. And we came back, you know, two years later and they had built a whole another home because the cows had calves and they were selling that and they were selling the milk and they were doing all the things. And so all they needed was just a little something. And in my mind, I'm so westernized. I'm like, let's give the kid Jordans, you know what I mean? Let's give them this and it's not that, you know, it's helping them to sustain and build a life for themselves. I mean, I've been on the ground, so I've seen, I've seen the chickens go, I've seen, you know, and my son and I got to see and meet one of our world vision kids. What? So my kids have all written letters to kids, obviously when they were younger, mom and dad were the ones, you know, writing the checks, but I wanted them to have a connection with the child. And one of the trips, my son and I got to meet the young man that we had four years written letters to and sponsoring was Joseph. And so I've seen it on the ground. It's amazing. And then you bring up a country from the platform this morning, I don't hear anybody talking about. Ever. All right. You got to tell me it's my to miss it. Listen. What happened this morning because I had to come grab you and be like, we need to talk about this. I'm so excited because God is so strategic and how He does things. And so there's a country in South Africa called Eswatini, the kingdom of Eswatini. It used to be Swaziland. And so the way I got connected, my pastor, who is, who was actually here, Antioch Church, Wayne Cheney, the princess of Eswatini came to our church for four years while she was in school at Biola University. And so we literally did church together, did life, like had no idea what I never had been. And so when it was time to pick a country, we do this major thing called Chosen. And my pastor said, I want to do it in Eswatini. And Chosen is where we allow the children now to choose their sponsor. That's awesome. So instead of us making a choice after church, like, oh, who am I going to choose? No, I don't want that one. I don't want that one. The kids actually watch and see who they want to choose. You take pictures of you and hang them up, and then the kids get to choose. That's awesome. That is so cool. That is so awesome. The kids are like, hmm, who am I going to choose? You get to watch them. And the pastors are on like pins and needles because they're like, am I going to be chosen? Am I going to be chosen? And the kids are making the choice they're empowered. So we say, all right, we're going to do Chosen in Eswatini, hadn't even been done. We said, let's go there. My pastor's heart was for there. And so when we got there, you know, we knew some of the stats, but we had no idea exactly what we were getting into. We have an office in Eswatini. They had been doing the work, but I just wasn't as familiar. So probably for the past six years, I've been working closely with the Kingdom of Eswatini. And we have just watched God. I actually pulled out some stats, man. I just can't believe it. Over the past few years. So the total people haven't access to clean water over 200,000 sanitation, 93, 93,747 hygiene, 107,000 schools gaining access to water over 67 schools have water, sanitation, 51 hygiene, 80 health care, 30 health care facilities have access to clean water, like it. 30 health care. But we got intentional about how are we going to partner with this country? And we don't want to leave until we see the country doing what God has called it to do and that's thriving. And so tell me more about your connection, because this story is from the platform. And I'll sit in the back of the room and I'm like, it brings up Eswatini, right? Yeah. Except that I'm pastoring with my dad in New York City and the church is growing, you know, very, very rapidly, very fast. And offerings are just going up. Memberships going up. We got 4,000 people. We don't got to park a lot. But we got 4,000 people to get into church, you know, investment schools, other podcasts. That's crazy. That's crazy, right? So in the heart of New York City and so I'm like, you know, I'm tired of the way we're doing missions. We're like, give a little here, give a little there. We're going to go deep somewhere and we're just going to decide what that looks like. And so, you know, our church is predominantly Dominican and Puerto Ricans, so we're like, all right, I think we're going to do something in DR maybe, my dad in a heart for Haiti. And then my brother and I are on this trip and we're in Swaziland. Yeah. 13 years ago. And we hear these two stats that just wrecked us, wrecked me. 28% of the entire population of Eswatini is HIV or AIDS possible. It's more than a quarter of the entire population is already HIV or AIDS. And if you just take 18 to 35, just take the next generation, that number jumps to 51%. I'm like, we got to do something like that. Somehow it works out through the UN, the King of Swaziland gives us three acres in Swaziland. It's a monarchy. You cannot buy land. No, you have to be deep in. You have to go through property. So you guys are working with the royal family. Yes. This isn't like just some like, oh, that's a title. Like you're working with the royal family who has jurisdiction and authority. It's crazy. That's crazy. I'm literally today. So this is now 10 years later. We have three acres. We have a soccer pitch. We feed 350 kids breakfast. They go to school. They come back. They get lunch. 350 kids, school uniforms, indigenous church on the property. This is daily, not like a VBS daily. My brother is testing me this morning because he had let a mission trip with 35. Five people into SWATini Africa and is flying back today. You're on the platform talking about SWATini. I'm like, I've got to go tell her, but you have no, and so like, when you think about what is happening, this is the stuff we're not talking about. Exactly. We're all arguing about stuff that just doesn't really matter and the truth of the matter is when the church shows up in the most difficult situations, that's when the church is at its best. Exactly. Exactly. And I just, I couldn't believe the heart connection because when you know, you know, you know, and God gives, how does He give you a heart for such a specific place? And then to really see the stats and to really say, we want to make change. And it's possible. Yes, it's possible. Like it's possible to eradicate poverty in our lifetime, like it's possible to actually see children, you know, it's possible to work with these communities and help to bring them out of poverty. And so I'm just, I'm just, this is not just a dream. For one day, this is a mission that's going to be accomplished. Oh my gosh. And that is the point. That's the point. And so shout out to Wayne Cheney, shout out to Pastor Tate, Albert Tate, shout out to La Rosa Tate. I mean, there's so many people that have made this mission a reality. We've seen probably close to 4,000 kids sponsor just in the past couple years. That's amazing. And so like their initial intentional heart to serve this country is like, this is what we're going to do. And now I've got a brother. So we've really got to crush it. Say less. So I feel left out. No. I want to come with you guys. You're going to come with us. You know the way you got to do is you actually have to go to Joeburg, South Africa, because the only way in or out of S.W. Cheney is their own airline. You got to get on this little, yeah. Yeah. And you know, the main thing is, we're going to tell you whether you go full of the Holy Ghosts, begin to talk or not. On that fly, you, you full of Holy Ghosts, because you are just praying. Or kid is praying in the air. Let us make it. Please. He's going to be five more minutes. He's going to be five more minutes. He's going to be five more minutes. 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