A Prepared Vessel - Apostle Brandon Clack & Pastor Dan Underhill | Masterclass Episode 3

(0:02 - 0:18) So you asked the question, how do you train up and lead the next generation? I think it's important that you let that generation have a voice. This idea that every Sunday we can guarantee that God's going to meet us in the 45 minute presentation. Ladies and gentlemen, it is just not how it works in the sacred narrative. (0:18 - 0:31) How does he give you a heart for such a specific place? And then to really see the stats and to really say we want to make change and it's possible. You know, the hardest part in leading change is not where you leave and it's not when you get there. It's that spot in the middle. (0:31 - 0:40) So sometimes in your weakness, foolishness, not getting it. God's like he just does it anyway. If there's a core issue in my faith, then I can't see God right. (0:40 - 0:58) And I'll demand he does for me quickly what my character can only handle slowly. How do you know what you're speaking into until you hear where they're coming from? I had to see that proper rest and replenishment wasn't in the way it was the way. I will borrow from what's on the inside of you and bring it out. (0:58 - 1:10) So the quality goes in before the song comes out. Humility is this acceptance of who you really are, who God really is. That puts you in a posture to encounter God in a genuine and authentic way. (1:11 - 1:25) Welcome to Voices from the Masterclass, a special Faithly podcast series brought to you by Faithly. Preaching Masterclass and leading leaders collective. Pastor Adam Durso here with Faithly Stories live from the Preaching Masterclass. (1:26 - 1:40) And it has been absolutely an incredible two and a half days. Can I introduce my guest co-host today? Pastor Dan Underhill, Pastors Cornerstone Church, ATX, Austin, Texas. Say what's up to the group. (1:40 - 1:47) Well, I'm so thankful to be here. Thank you for having me. And it's an honor to be in the room with this many masters at their craft for sure. (1:47 - 1:53) It has been life changing. Pastor Brandon Clack. You've got your name on your sweater, bro. (1:53 - 1:59) I mean, like you got your own, you got your own gear. That's another level. It's actually a Masterclass hoodie. (1:59 - 2:01) Stop it. Yeah, it is. They gave it to me. (2:01 - 2:11) You got a Masterclass. How did I just like record 15 podcasts behind the scenes and didn't get no wardrobe? And you got wardrobe walking in the door, man. Favors nothing. (2:11 - 2:16) Yes. Pastor Brandon, say what's up to the audience, man. I'm so excited to be with you all. (2:16 - 2:24) What a great opportunity to just encourage leaders and be a part of this. In my opinion, this legendary conference. I'm enjoying everything about Masterclass. (2:24 - 2:43) Pastor Brandon, you are preaching all over the place at this point. Why is making preaching Masterclass a priority for you to be in the room and then be on the lineup in 2026? Yeah, that's a great question. I think that preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, in my humble estimation, is a bridge of grace. (2:43 - 3:05) I think Jesus uses the preacher to further reveal himself, not just to the congregant, but to those that are lost. And so what better place if the foolishness of preaching is still on God's heart than to come in to be equipped and sharpened in a safe environment where you don't have to worry about fumbling around in a clumsy way. You know, sometimes preachers, as they're finding their voice, they get a little clumsy. (3:06 - 3:18) But here at the preaching Masterclass, you get a front row seat, not just to the sermon, but to the mindset behind it. What a brilliant concept. Speak to that a little bit, because the next year is 30 years of ministry for me. (3:19 - 3:26) I've been at a lot of conferences. There's something different about this. I mean, I wake up pretty motivated in the morning, pretty excited to go do what God's called me to do. (3:27 - 3:39) This seems to be like, in addition to that, they're handing you the tools, the framework to implement and do the things God's called us to do. Like, what's making this so special? Because it feels different. For sure. (3:39 - 4:04) You know, the overarching concept that I've observed is preacher gets up in ministers and instead of running to the green room, he double backs on stage, sits down on carpet, chair, and a conversation to unpack mentality. How did you do that? Where did you see that? What does your outline feel like? And so the preacher gets to show you how and then tell you why. Yes. (4:04 - 4:16) I mean, to me, if that was all that was going on, wonderful. Price of admission. But then I got this long spreadsheet that showed me how to implement a year-long sermon series. (4:16 - 4:21) That's right. Talks about plugging in the speakers. It shows the staff retreat. (4:21 - 4:23) You know, Pastor Rickey, he gave us gold. No, no, no. He did. (4:23 - 4:27) He really did. Pastor Rickey, shout out to him. He crushed it. (4:27 - 4:38) Whether you are a senior pastor or a youth pastor, if you have any ambition to preach the gospel, if I see you in the street and you don't go to master class, we got square up. Exactly. Yeah, no, there's definitely something. (4:38 - 4:55) I mean, he literally, the systems and structures was imperative to the audience. And when I think about my background coming from a charismatic Pentecostal background, I think sometimes there is this thought that those are at odds with each other. Correct. (4:56 - 5:02) And they're not. And we tend to blame sloppiness on the Holy Spirit somehow. And I think God's a God of order. (5:02 - 5:11) Right. And he had people that could do skillful stuff and that didn't take away from his glory. Speak to that. (5:11 - 5:23) I mean, both of you, the idea that you can be both anointed and skillful simultaneously. There was something that Pastor Rickey said yesterday. He goes, the Holy Spirit can plan in advance, pastors. (5:23 - 5:44) Yes. And I thought that was great, even for me coming from a Pentecostal background to say, OK, sometimes we lean on that crutch of like, well, I'm just waiting until God says instead of carving out and planning and preparing the time so that that way the Holy Spirit can speak in advance. And that was encouraging to me as a church planter to say, oh, wait a minute. (5:44 - 5:53) Hold on. This is about being excellent in my execution and planning and providing space to allow the Holy Spirit to speak to me. That just inspired me. (5:53 - 5:57) And I just got to echo what he said, because it was brilliant. Pastor Rickey just crushed it. That's really good. (5:57 - 6:16) You know, I think sometimes the Holy Spirit looks for opportunities in a prepared vessel. You know, I'm looking at if Jesus, obviously, when he got baptized, the Holy Spirit rested on him as a dove. If we fast forward into the Synoptic Gospels, we're going to find a space where it's time to feed five thousand. (6:16 - 6:26) But it is through the planning, the sit down in the organization. Yes. Even at the book of Acts, where the Holy Spirit wants to descend upon the early church, you've got to be in one place, one accord. (6:26 - 6:34) So I agree. I don't think that the Holy Spirit is antagonistic to order and foresight and planning. Yeah. (6:34 - 6:49) So to the person that's listening to this and we'll move on beyond preaching masterclass into some other things that are in Pastor Brandon's world. Tell the audience next year why this needs to be on their calendar, no matter how busy they are. Yeah. (6:49 - 7:02) I think that aside from the audience getting to see maybe some of the speakers that they look up to, they're tangible. You can walk up to them and speak to them. Apart from that, if you are not sharpening your gift, the Proverbs is clear. (7:02 - 7:21) Iron sharpens iron. And I think if we're not careful and we don't get in environments that stretch us, we will assume that the peak of what we have become is the only thing we can become. And so I think this is a stretching opportunity for you to lay your eyes on an aspect of your skill set that the Lord can create in you. (7:21 - 7:30) So, yeah, I think it's a non-negotiable. So San Antonio, Memphis, and you're a Lakers fan. I'm confused. (7:30 - 7:34) I'm all over the place. I'm confused, man. Talk the audience through a little bit of your story, man. (7:34 - 7:37) And now you're pastoring in Memphis. So catch us up to that moment. Yeah. (7:37 - 7:43) I went to a Bible college in Columbus, Ohio. OK. And when I graduated there, we went back home. (7:43 - 7:51) My wife and I have been married 20 years now. And we went back home to San Antonio and planted a life breeding church there. And it was going incredible. (7:51 - 8:05) I just wouldn't have had any idea that the Lord would call me to Memphis, Tennessee. And so in faith, we just handed off that great church to the associate pastor there at the time. And he's done phenomenal things. (8:05 - 8:16) And then we just packed up and moved to Memphis, Beverly Hillbilly style. So what does that look like? I got called to Memphis. Like, fill in the blank there for a second. (8:16 - 8:23) Was it, you know, the heavens opened and God spoke. It was a church event. Like, what happened from San Antonio to Memphis? Yeah, correct. (8:23 - 8:33) I had came into there. There was an incredible man of God that was already, he had a local assembly in Chicago. And he had felt the call in Memphis. (8:33 - 8:48) And he invited us to come and help be a part of what was going on there. OK. And it was upon that invitation that I started to scratch into, in my humble estimation, the greater sense that it was the Lord and not just a good idea. (8:48 - 8:59) OK. And once my wife and I prayed into it being a God idea, we accepted and partnered and then went on to Memphis. And then since then, that man of God is doing phenomenal things in Chicago. (8:59 - 9:05) And then we have changed the name of the church. And so it's Reformation now. So it's, yeah, it's off to the races. (9:05 - 9:20) So what does Reformation Church in Memphis look like? Yeah, it looks like a space where you're going to have an encounter with authentic worship, which is not just the song in our world. So worship is more so tied to obedience. OK. (9:20 - 9:33) When we see worship and the first mention of it, it is not connected to a ukulele or drum set. It is Abram telling his son, we're going up here in obedience. Yes. (9:33 - 9:38) Right. We're going up here to worship and we're going to come back. And that's wonderful. (9:38 - 9:48) But the synopsis of it is they were told, he was told to sacrifice Isaac. So his obedience is worship. So we marry not just lyrics to the song, but lifestyle. (9:49 - 9:55) Right. So lyrics without lifestyle is just good singing. But if you have the lifestyle with the lyrics, now you're in worship. (9:55 - 10:03) So it's that worship. It is a spirit filled environment where there is the moving of the gifts of the spirit. It is a doctrinally sound environment for preaching. (10:03 - 10:15) Hence, I'm at the master class. It's a doctrinally sound where we prioritize the word of God. And even above that, if you ever visit Memphis, it is an incredibly gifted city. (10:15 - 10:29) But the synergy and the home feeling, the love you're going to feel in that place. It's undeniable. Can I go back to something you mentioned? You prayed about it and then you kind of just skipped over. (10:29 - 10:36) Yeah. My wife and I just felt. Was it just instantaneous? Because maybe there's some people listening to this and might say, hey, my wife and I are praying about it. (10:37 - 10:49) And we're not on the same page about this right now. Like, could you speak into that? Because sometimes we talk about, oh, God called me here and then we went here. And then my wife and I prayed and we say as if it happened like within five seconds of each other. (10:49 - 11:02) And there wasn't a tension to be dealt with of, oh, we're going to leave everything we know. And now we're about to go into something that's completely unknown. And maybe speaking to that for the passage that might be listening and going, dude, me and my wife aren't on the right. (11:02 - 11:06) We're on the same page right now. We're in the tension of that. Yeah, that's a great question. (11:06 - 11:19) I guess we had a little bit of practice. When we went to Columbus, Ohio for Bible college, we left San Antonio for the first time to move to Columbus, Ohio. And I was literally just chasing the call of God. (11:20 - 11:27) The time the chancellor of the school felt like there was something in him that needed to get in me. And I took him up on it. I believed him. (11:27 - 11:37) And so that that prayer plan faith leap was something that we already kind of had some rhythm in. But believe it or not, Christabel said no at first to Memphis. Yeah. (11:37 - 11:45) She wasn't having it good. She did not feel like it was where we needed to go. And mostly it was from her just saying, Hey, my parents are here. (11:46 - 11:52) Our family is here. Our girls are young at the time. I don't want to move them and then be on our own. (11:52 - 11:58) Yeah. And my hand to God. After some time in prayer, she woke me up at 3 a.m. One morning with tears in her eyes. (11:58 - 12:10) And she said, I feel like the Lord called me to change the worship culture in Memphis to look more like Jesus. And that was the confirmation that she needed. Although I had already felt the confirmation, I decided not to pressure her. (12:10 - 12:24) I wanted the Lord to embed in her. And so we didn't have any marital tension because if God didn't give her the comfort and the confidence, I didn't want to build a church and be building her at the same time. Yes. (12:25 - 12:32) And so thankfully, the Holy Spirit, it was him. And she was she was good to go after that. It's so hard sometimes in those moments to be patient, though, with that process. (12:32 - 12:36) Yeah. It's really not really. It's a tension you live in to go. (12:36 - 12:42) I've got to get my wife on the same page as what God already told me. And that doesn't work. Correct. (12:43 - 12:52) It's more of just letting go in the moment and saying, OK, hold on. Can I be mutually submissive? Right. As the word tells us that we don't ever want to preach. (12:52 - 13:05) We're good with the Ephesians five. Like, hey, you better submit. But we just glaze over the mutual submission that he can and tells us about to say, hold on, I've got to be submissive and I've got to be patient because she's not there yet. (13:06 - 13:26) That was kind of the same same move for Kelly and I, where she was not about it, you know, and even getting to Texas. She was leaving 36 years of family, same church, same community. And maybe you can speak into that as a husband for a minute of being mutually submissive and patient in the process. (13:26 - 13:34) So that way we don't just scramble the product. You know, it's like we scramble the whole thing up because I'm a type A leader. I'm going to do what God told me to do. (13:34 - 13:52) How do you manage that? Like as a leader, as a pastor and pastoring your own house first? Yeah, that's really good. I would say some of it is my personality because I grew up in church, but I did not grow up wanting to be a preacher. I grew up playing basketball. (13:52 - 14:05) And so I knew what it meant to be cheered for, to score a basket. And I knew what it was to be booed to score a basket. So my ambitions were not kingdom ascension. (14:05 - 14:27) So because I don't have those ambitions and most of my background is sports related, I did not feel the pressure to make her say, we need to go because now I get to be somebody. I had not assumed my introduction to the gospel was not the fame of personality and people. My introduction to the gospel was that I am a wretched sinner without the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. (14:27 - 14:43) I'm doomed. So I looked at it as a blessed opportunity, but this was not hinged on my personal career. So because I didn't feel any pressure to be something special, I did not then in turn make her feel like you're holding me back. (14:43 - 14:45) That is gold. Yeah. That perspective. (14:45 - 15:08) Right. Well, what is it? It's so different to lead out of the place of assurance versus striving for something. Can we follow up and speak to that? Because let's be honest, there's a lot of leaders who are covering up insecurity and covering up what they've got going on on the inside simply so that they can hear the so true of the crowd. (15:08 - 15:17) Yeah. I tell our church all the time that if you get drunk off of applause, you'll have a breakdown when they stop clapping. Because they're going to stop clapping. (15:17 - 15:22) For sure. One day God's going to tell you something that's going to make someone irritated. Right. (15:22 - 15:32) And you're going to hear it in joy and they're going to respond in anguish. And so if those hand claps are necessary, you and God are going to have a divine disagreement at some point. Yes. (15:33 - 15:53) And so I think that if we could find a way, which is why the preaching masterclass is so useful, because not only does it sharpen skill set, you get to see proper heart motives bleed out. Yes. I mean, what can we say about Pastor Judah Smith as he is uncontrollably weeping from the purity of his motives behind preaching? Yes. (15:53 - 16:15) And so I think, yeah, it's got to be a motives wash. Pastor Brandon, from observation from the outside, it seems like there's a lot more going on in your life and ministry and calling in the different tentacles of the things you're involved in than just leading the church in Memphis. Talk to us about Pastor Brandon Clack's role. (16:15 - 16:20) Yeah. You know, I oversee a network called Reformation Network. Okay. (16:20 - 16:36) And we've got 30 senior pastors that are part of what we're doing and we get a chance to connect them to resources and life giving suggestions. We get to check on their families and their wives and their husbands and their kids and all of that. And so that's its own separate world within itself. (16:37 - 16:40) Sure. Is it like a denomination? No. Okay. (16:40 - 16:59) No, it's just a network of churches that I just felt was in my heart. And we're not necessarily soliciting or putting out the come be with us ad. It is more so someone, we essentially are saying if you identify that this fruit is helpful to you, then this tree might be the place where you want to plant. (16:59 - 17:01) Okay. That's good. Okay. (17:01 - 17:06) So it's very loose. It's very come as you are. It's really no strings attached. (17:06 - 17:17) And I'm extremely passionate about pastors. And then I've been pastoring 14 years now and things are going well at Reformation. And we've got my oldest daughter is 20. (17:18 - 17:23) My second oldest, she's about to be 19. Okay. And my son, he's 14. (17:23 - 17:35) He's just on the freshman basketball team. So be praying for him. It's so cool because it's something unique that I'm experiencing here with the master class that it's not like, hey, we need something from you. (17:35 - 17:51) We're going to give you something. And I see the pairing between the master class and leading leaders collective in what you do to create that environment where it's like, look, we don't need anything from you. We want to see you get everything God has for you. (17:51 - 18:08) And how do we assist? Maybe you guys could both speak into how do you create that environment with integrity? Because that's an environment that's missing in so many conference spaces. Like that's not what you get at the average conference. Yeah. (18:08 - 18:12) It's more of like, hey, take off your cape. You're just a man here. Let's talk. (18:12 - 18:22) And maybe you guys can speak into that from both your sides. Yeah. I would probably say that the uniqueness of that has to come from a place where the individual knows God is a provider. (18:22 - 18:31) Yes. I was thinking in my seat just a minute ago, I was thinking that God knows how to perfectly respond better than I even know how to ask. That's good. (18:31 - 18:45) And if I rest there, that his perfect response, his provision, his hand of protection, if I rest there, it's easy to have authentic relationships because I don't see you as my source. Right. You're not a walking wallet. (18:45 - 18:47) You are not. My next opportunity. You're not. (18:48 - 18:51) You're not any of those things. You're a person that loves the same mutual God. Right. (18:51 - 19:01) And if he loves me like he loves you, then you're the middleman. I can scoot you aside and go straight to him. So, yeah, I think that's what makes this ecosystem so unique. (19:01 - 19:19) You can tell that Albert Tate depends on God and not the people in the pews. And, you know, I think one of the things I noticed after pastoring for 20 years and then moving into nonprofit space while remaining a pastor with Pastor A.R. Bernard is this scarcity mentality that's in the body of Christ. Whew. (19:19 - 19:37) Yeah. That somehow the God we preach about as a God of abunDance, the God that owns the cattle on a thousand hills, God that can meet and provide for every need. I can give you above and beyond and exceeding all that you could ask, think, or possibly imagine somehow is going to run out if he blesses you, that that's somehow less for me. (19:38 - 19:47) I mean, when you look at those other guys, part of your heart for pastors is the fact you can't look at them as competition. Correct. Not only are they not your source, they're not your competition. (19:48 - 20:04) Speak to what it is to care for, encourage, be a brother to somebody else without the idea like, well, if that guy gets a better house or a nicer car, that somehow that's less for me. Yeah. You know, I think for me, I'm learning to trust God's pace. (20:05 - 20:19) If he's flawless and if he's perfect, then the pace he chooses for me cannot be a misstep because it is not your pace. Right. So to envy your pace that God has given you really speaks to a core issue in my faith. (20:19 - 20:28) Yes. If there's a core issue in my faith, then I can't see God right. And I'll demand he does for me quickly what my character can only handle slowly. (20:28 - 20:43) Yes. I won't, I don't want to be a name dropper, but there is a pastor in Atlanta. I guarantee you, even though we just met, I guarantee you, you know him and he and I went to college together and his goal was to pastor 400 people right now. (20:43 - 20:56) If I were to tell you his name, you would say, oh my God, he's all over the place and he has just exploded. And it is because he incarcerated his ambition and trusted the pace of God. Say that one more time. (20:57 - 20:58) Incarcerated. Ambition. Yeah. (20:58 - 21:22) I think he locked it up, threw away the key, put it on death row, and then just trusted God's pace over time. How do you discern between faith and ambition? I mean, because I think there's a lot of guys that are cloaking, cloaking ambition with the language of faith that says, no, God told me, God told me. But a lot of it is just, no, no, no. (21:22 - 21:27) This is really about, about your ambition. Yeah. That's really good. (21:27 - 21:34) You know, it's, it's hard to discern on the outside looking at a person. So I would more so speak to the individual pretending. Yeah. (21:34 - 21:46) And I would say just run through Galatians chapter five really quick. You're going to find the fruit of the flesh and the fruit of the spirit. And if your ambition is connected to any of those things attached to the flesh, it is not God. (21:46 - 21:50) Yes. The only challenge is only you can admit it and only you can change it. Right. (21:50 - 22:03) And the truth of the matter is it, this is not the kind of thing that you're going to be challenged necessarily from the stage, but from your brothers. That's so true. And so community matters going back to the network. (22:03 - 22:20) You've got this idea of community. We've been brothers in, we've been in ministry from the Northeast now going on 25 years and the guys that are connected. I remember we had a, we had a guy, a leader in New York that imploded and it came out in the newspapers several years ago. (22:21 - 22:31) And I called one of my best friends, one of our best friends, a guy that we call brother. And I said, Jamal, if you ever read about me in the newspaper, I'm blaming you. Wow. (22:31 - 23:00) That's really good. If you read about me in the newspaper, I'm blaming you because you should have seen it in my life before the newspaper or the reporter ever caught wind of it because you, so what is it about a community and network of brotherhood that is so important to ensure that we're not just famous and popular, but that we're leading with integrity? Yeah. I would suggest to the preacher, you're going to have to really kill that competition. (23:01 - 23:12) Yes. If you are competing with a brother, then you'll hide things that the brother needs to rebuke out of you. And it's hard to help you avoid a mess when you are hiding it from me. (23:12 - 23:19) Yes. And so I would suggest that if you have real brotherhood, that's going to require real vulnerability. It's going to require real trust. (23:20 - 23:33) You cannot share and spread what you hear, but you've got to be able to internalize and then advise how to turn out of that. But I think most guys really struggle with community because they really want to be seen as I'm doing just as good as you. Right, man. (23:34 - 23:42) There's a great pastor that once said to me, he goes, you're only as accountable as you will be honest. Right. And it was brilliant when he said it and I was like, wow. (23:42 - 24:08) But I think that that's something that's, that's hard to really live out as a pastor when you're, you're always in the limelight or you're always expected to have the answers right. To the questions that your people want and they come to you and they kind of press on you. So how do you manage that tension, right? Of having to have the answers, but also manage the relationships where you can be open and vulnerable. (24:08 - 24:22) Like those are the things that seem like they're juxtaposed to each other to say, I have to have the answers, but I also have to be vulnerable. And how do I know how to step between those spaces and how do I move in that Dance? Yeah. I think what you're describing is the Messiah complex. (24:22 - 24:47) Yeah. And I think some leaders are so used to having the S on the chest and the red cape that they believe that they're never Clark Kent. Clark Kent. Yeah. And that Messiah complex has guys feeling like if I come down, then I'll lose respect and your respect is not found in the solutions you provide because you're not the source. Your respect is found is that you're a broken vessel that is clinging to the source of healing. (24:48 - 26:13) And if you'll share that part of the trauma, the thing might explode and multiply quickly. Moses has got to reach beneath this cloak and it comes out with leprosy. And it's important that we embody and have our people understand that at the end of the day, we're still leprous. We're just, we're just covered by the grace of God. And so man, pastor Brandon, this has been fantastic. Uh, in a moment, I want you to straight up challenge those that are listening with one thing you would say to that leader. But before we get to that, I'm going to ask you the most important question of the interview, Memphis, Texas, or Kansas city barbecue. Oh, I mean, come on. We just, I mean, let's just talk about it. I know, I know Texas. Let's not screw this up. Let's not screw this up. You talked about Dallas, San Antonio, you're in Memphis. I'm going to leave Carolina even out of this. I apologize to all the people I'm offending right now, but I don't like that vinegar stuff. Um, uh, Kansas city, you said you went to a chiefs game. I love Casey. I fall in love with that city. Shout out to Kansas city. What's the best barbecue out of all of them? Cause I, it's going to be tough for you not to say Memphis. I get that, but I'm, I'm putting you on glass right now. This is an easy answer. There's a place in Luling, Texas. That's right. What? Luling, Texas. I didn't even know. What is Luling? L U L I N G Luling, Texas. (26:13 - 26:18) It's about 70 people there. Luling spelt it on me. Can't find it on a map. (26:19 - 26:40) There is a place there where the whole restaurant is the barbecue pit. Like you have to walk into the pit in order to order. It is hands down, Texas. There's a place. I could, there's a place in San Marcos that is called Black's barbecue. Yes. It's Texas hands down. Black's. I took him for the beef rib. (26:40 - 26:44) Oh, you've been there. Yes. Tell me I'm lying. (26:44 - 27:15) I was going to have to correct you. Part of embracing the call to Bishop his church was we going to Black's. And after that, he was like, Hey, would you be an overseer? I was like, I'll do whatever you want me to do right now. That beef rib is sick. I'm telling you, we got good food in New York city, but that is serious. You have to go to Luling. There's only one barbecue restaurant in the whole town. The name. I don't even, I can't remember the name, but it's, it's a, you know, you gotta go to Luling before you get to Seguin. (27:15 - 27:38) I don't know if you've ever been to Seguin in Texas. You just look up Luling. It's maybe from you. You're in Austin. It's maybe 40 minutes. Oh, that's worth it. That's lunch. And that beef rib is like the Flintstone. I don't know if I'm dating myself. It's like it flips the car over like that. Okay. Pastor Brandon, as we bring this to a close, we are live from the preaching masterclass here in Southern California. (27:38 - 28:02) One thing that that leader needs to hear, if you are only going to give them one thing. Yeah. I would imagine the one thing that I would give you as a leader or an emerging preacher really has to be your motives. If your motives are right, then the grace of God for whatever capacity you have for impact is going to be good. So keep your motives clean. Don't envy the impact of somebody else that you wish you would have had. (28:02 - 28:16) If you make it to heaven and get a crown, it's all worth it. Pastor Brandon, thank you for being with us. Pastor Dan, thank you for guest co-hosting. I'm Pastor Adam Durso, Faithly Stories. God bless you. Thank you for tuning in to the Faithly Stories podcast. (28:16 - 28:42) We pray this episode gave you the encouragement you needed to continue on your journey. The Faithly Stories podcast is brought to you by Faithly, an online community committed to empowering church leaders, pastors, staff, and volunteers. The Faithly digital platform offers innovative and practical tools and resources to enhance connection, foster collaboration and promote growth within the church and ministry space. (28:42 - 29:00) Remember to subscribe, rate, and review our podcast to help reach more listeners like you. Stay tuned for more uplifting tales from the front lines of ministry on the Faithly podcast. Stay bold, stay faithful, and never underestimate the power of your own story.