A Network of Networks - Daria Nardozza

00:01 - Speaker 1 I always thought I'd go back. It was just one year. I told my parents I was gonna go back, I was gonna be a business person and go. You know, I didn't never envision myself in ministry at all and I remember feeling like that, god, I feel called to this but like what does that look like? And working through that actually with the director of the school. Then I did, I pursued, I did my undergrad in religious education and counseling, psychology, thinking I would be a therapist. Actually, god had an interesting way of changing that one. 00:31 - Speaker 2 Welcome to Faithly Stories, the podcast that brings you inspiring tales from conversations with church leaders as they navigate the peaks and valleys of their faith journeys through their ministry work and everyday life. Join us as we delve into their challenges moments, their ministry work and everyday life. Join us as we delve into their challenges, moments of encouragement and answered prayers. The Faithly Stories podcast is brought to you by Faithly, an online community committed to empowering church leaders, pastors, staff and volunteers. Learn more at faithlyco. Get ready to be uplifted and inspired as we unveil the heart of faith through stories from the front lines of ministry. On the Faithly Stories podcast. 01:12 - Speaker 3 Daria Nardozza welcome to Faithly Stories. 01:15 - Speaker 1 Yeah, so great to be here and so great to be in New York and be with you in real life. Finally. 01:20 - Speaker 3 Yes, yes, there is something about real life still that makes a difference. Oh yeah, so it's great to have you. You are the co-founder of City Leaders Collective, which you co-founded about a year and a half ago, but in a lot of ways, you've been building towards this for over two decades. 01:37 - Speaker 1 Yeah. 01:39 - Speaker 3 So maybe we could start from the beginning. We can start with your personal journey and how that sparked this passion for community and leadership and transforming cities. 01:50 - Speaker 1 Yeah, so I was born and raised in Montreal, quebec, canada. My parents, my mom, was from Toronto. I met my dad, who was a Ukrainian immigrant to Montreal. His parents immigrated and my mom was from a Christian family, but very conservative Christian family, and her father actually really struggled with post-war mental illness and it was just a really not healthy home and she escaped Toronto to pursue my dad in Montreal and they then had four kids. 02:28 I'm number two but my dad also, like many people coming from Ukraine, his father and actually five generations back we discovered, struggled with anxiety, depression and alcoholism and so grew up in a very hard family abusive, a lot of addiction, a lot of food insecurity. Actually, on the outside we looked like we kind of had it all together, but on the inside it was a tough place to be. But when I was around between 10 and 12, my parents separated, which I actually think was a really good thing for our family, and then I got divorced and in those years my mom shipped us to my grandparents' house in the Muskokas and we went to Bible camp and that's really where my siblings and I first learned about God and faith. But then we go back home to Montreal and it was just sort of this hard setting again and then go back and see my grandparents, which was about six hours away, and so my grandmother really had a big influence on my faith journey. But it was really only when I was 16, I think that I was like struggling as a teenage girl, like a fatherless many of the struggles fatherless teenage girls have and started clubbing when I was about 13 and kind of just got into the wrong scene as a teenager. And when I was 16, kind of realized there's got to be more to life than this and I think God was just pursuing me and I went to work at a Christian camp and it was really actually that summer. I still made some bad choices, but it was at the end of that summer that I was like if I'm doing this, I'm doing it, and that was in September of 99 that I started to follow Jesus and it was a pretty huge 180 in my life and it was a bit of a shocker to my family. 04:30 When I was 17, I went away to Bible school just to try to figure out who God was, and my parents really did not want me to do that. So I saved all my money and did it on my own and that experience at Bible college I went to a really small, outdoor extreme sport Bible school with only 40 students and those couple years really shaped my faith. You know, learned to pray, learned who Jesus was. I actually showed up in Bible school not knowing the difference between the Old and the New Testament. Or you know teachers would say y'all know the story of Jonah. Up in Bible school, not knowing the difference between the Old and the New Testament. Or you know teachers would say y'all know the story of Jonah. I'd say no, I don't know the story of Jonah, could you teach me? So yeah, I really felt like I showed up knowing nothing but so eager to figure out who God was and yeah, so that was sort of my early faith journey. 05:23 - Speaker 3 Wow, what a journey, and all of that in the first 17 years. So we are about 70 episodes into this podcast. We interview all kinds of ministry leaders and we hear about their faith journeys and they're called to ministry and one of the themes that has emerged. It's not everybody's story but you'd be astounded I've been astounded how many people's stories have been stories of fatherlessness and how the Lord has redeemed that and has called those into ministry. It's been a really powerful theme to observe. I'm curious at this Bible school with extreme sports, how did that fit into the picture? How did that fit into the education? 06:05 - Speaker 1 with extreme sports. How did that fit into the picture? How did that fit into the education? Yeah, I know. So we do like one week of ice climbing and then like one week of New Testament survey, and then we'd have some reading weeks and it was all modularly done and they'd bring in professors to teach, like the one week modular course. But then we all live together in community as well, on a beautiful lake. So, yeah, it was a great experience. 06:29 - Speaker 3 So was it there that you felt this call into ministry? 06:34 - Speaker 1 Yeah, it was probably my second year there that I was like struggling with it because I always thought I'd go back. It was just one year. I told my parents I was going to go back and I was going to be a business person and go. You know, I didn't never envision myself in ministry at all and I remember feeling like that God, I feel called to this but like what does that look like? And, um, working through that actually with the director of the school. Then actually I had, I did, I pursued, I did my undergrad in religious education and counseling and psychology, thinking I would be a therapist actually. And then, yeah, god had an interesting way of changing that one. 07:14 But actually when I was doing my graduate work, I had a hard church experience. 07:19 I kind of left the church that I was at and I was working at a supper club and I had this vision of making money in the south because you make pretty good money working in the supper club downtown Montreal and then like working with sex workers by day and like building those relationships. 07:37 And one one day I was serving in the supper club and there was actually a like an Italian baptism there and the priest got up to like give the blessing, and I don't hear God's voice every day. In my life I've heard it a few times, but one of the times I heard God's voice so clearly to me was him saying to me in that moment, I want you to represent the church the way this priest represents the church to these people, and I was like I was very confused by that, because I was like, first of all, I'm not Catholic. Second of all, I can't be a priest. Third of all, can women even lead in the church? And how does what I also felt like God has really called me to, to be the voice of the church, um, in Quebec and in in the work I do? Um, quebec's a very uh, there's not many Christians in Quebec and so um so, yeah, that was sort of my my call back to church ministry. 08:41 - Speaker 3 Wow, um so, um, when I look at your path and I look at all the things that you've done to me, it's so clear that you're in ministry and that you have been working to this place of calling church leaders and city leaders together. But have you ever worked in a church? 08:59 - Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I worked in a few churches actually and then I, in 2016, helped shape the West Island Network, which was a network of churches working together for the good of the community. And that's when I actually really felt like okay, that you know that God's voice to me in the restaurant with the priest. I was like this is how God wants me to be the church to the community. And so I would show up at community roundtable meetings and say you know, hi, I'm Daria from the West Island Network, network of Churches working together for the good of the community. 09:33 And they would look at me like we didn't know that the church cared about the community or, you know, like happy to be to see someone from the church, because there are so many community organizations have been trying to figure that out. And so, um, my role, which I did for about five years with the West Island Network, was that was really bringing the churches together, um, and helping them understand the needs of the community and what's happening in the community, and then going out and representing the church to the community and so meeting with the different mayors and different, you know, understanding what the priorities were and you know, facilitating our poverty reduction and social inclusion roundtable in our community and doing stuff like that, but doing it on behalf of the church and then trying to take what I learn and help the churches better engage together. 10:25 - Speaker 3 Wow, and so it seems to me like you've been doing some version of that, some flavor of that, in each of the organizations that you've represented. 10:34 - Speaker 1 Yeah. 10:36 - Speaker 3 Like 24-7 Prayer Canada, for example. Tell me a little bit more about that. Like 24-7 Prayer Canada, for example. Tell me a little bit more about that. 10:39 - Speaker 1 Yeah, 24-7 really shaped my. That was actually the organization that I contextualized my graduate work with. So I did my graduate work in global urban ministry or leadership and really contextualized that around prayer, mission, justice and unity in cities across Canada. Canada is a very urban country. About 82% of our population lives in a city, where the global average is around 57%. So many people in Canada live in and around cities and so, yeah, so we did a lot of yeah prayer. How does our prayer life fuel mission and justice and how does mission and justice and you know priorities we see really inform how we pray for our communities? So I led 24-7 Prayer Canada for a while. I worked with 24-7 International. They're an amazing organization that are doing great things around prayer, mission and justice. 11:43 - Speaker 3 Wow. So there were some other stops along the way, some other ministries and organizations you were involved in, and it brought you to this place where you launched City Collective sorry, City Leaders Collective not too long ago. What motivated you and your co-founders to start it? 12:02 - Speaker 1 Yeah, I think. Well, when I started my doctoral work, people kept saying to me do you know Eric Swanson? So I said no, I don't. So I finally met Eric Swanson and Eric Swanson's a great man and he for many years probably at least 20, has been convening city network leaders in the US, and for the last five years I've been doing that in Canada. And then Rob and Eric were very good friends. They've been good friends for, I think, 10, 15 years and Eric mentored Rob. Rob leads 4Charlotte he's a founder of 4Char For Charlotte, a city network there and so we just all, kind of, you know, had this heart for helping support and catalyze city network leaders in their work. And so, you know, eric was naturally doing it in the US, I was naturally doing it in Canada and it was like how do we do this better together and how do we do this in a more sustainable way that would live on and help support cities, really starting in North America, but globally, eventually one day as well? 13:24 - Speaker 3 eventually one day as well, wow. 13:24 - Speaker 1 So can you give me a? 13:25 - Speaker 3 few examples of who a city leader catalyst might be. Yeah, we've talked about some people you've worked with in New York, but what types of organizations, what type, what types of people? 13:30 - Speaker 1 Yeah, so I mean the West Island Network would be, you know was I actually thought I invented this idea of of a city network until I started to discover other ones across Canada and then discovering that God is actually doing something in cities. It's not, you know, he's calling people to this work and to bring people together. And so we've actually found just over. Well, yeah, we're now working with just over 100 cities in North America, and it's not to say we started it, we didn't start it, we found them and we've been, you know, trying to do things to serve and support these cities. And actually, a couple of years ago, Rob, almost a couple of years ago, Rob and I did a survey of 58 city networks in, I think, seven countries, mostly in Canada and the US. But just to try to figure out, like, what is God doing? Like, how did these people start these networks? How do they fund them? What do they do? Like, what does that look like? Who do they work with? What types of leaders are they? How do they do this work of bringing people together for the good of their city, do this work of bringing people together for the good of their city? And so we really discovered that there's. These people are very apostolic and entrepreneurial leaders and there's not much method to the madness, and I mean, obviously there's some things we've discovered that are common, but how do we, you know, especially because God is not stopping this Like he? Like there's so many people that are trying to figure out how to do this, and so how do we take what we've all learned and help those who are also trying to start something? 15:13 So we, through this project, we, you know, and we'd say we do three things at City Leaders Collective, we have created content and tools. Not, we've curated and are starting to create content and tools, and so we have a toolbox for any city network leader who is doing that or wants to start a city network. So we have. We say we've helped, we're helping them pay the dumb tax, so we've given them all the potential tools and they're not. Yeah, we've found what others have used. And so then we coach. We have a coaching program. We have currently 32 cities in our coaching cohort right now, and then we create community, because we realize, like we really need friends for the journey in this work and we can't do it. Yeah, it's just so helpful to have the support of other City Network leaders and to learn from each other. So we just really create that space for community. 16:10 - Speaker 3 Right, there's so much in what you just said that I want to unpack. First I want to go back to a really awesome comment you made where you said I thought I invented this like city network thing. I think when you are apostolic and you are entrepreneurial and you're starting new things and you discover that others are doing the same thing, I think there can be almost this temptation to be like oh, I didn't start it, I don't have the unique idea. But I think those of us who are doing it in the kingdom, hopefully we get to a place where it's like actually no, that's confirmation. 16:42 The Lord rarely calls one to do, but calls many right, and you guys are bringing it together, which is really cool. Trying to yeah, yeah and trying to learn, and that's the other cool thing about what you said you guys are doing, which is you're learning from the networks that you've found and then you've connected into, and hopefully that learning can then be pushed back out right to all the leaders that you're working with. Give me a few examples of the cities that you're currently working with. 17:14 - Speaker 1 Okay, oh yeah, I mean there's about 20 in Canada, 60 in the US, so there's a lot all the way from New York to the Bay Area, to California, to Orange County. Yeah, so all down the West Coast, east Coast, like, right you know, Florida, columbus. 17:39 - Speaker 3 And is it you saying we want to, we want to be in the biggest cities, or is it like here's who? We happen to know people? 17:45 - Speaker 1 here's who's coming to us. Oh yeah, no, it's not, we're not trying to be anywhere, we're just existing. And people find us and and it's really friends Like these are people we've been journeying with and it's all started. I mean, especially for me in Canada, it's like oh, this, I just found a network, I've reached out to them. Hey, I'm trying to do this, like let's learn from each other, and that's that's really how it's all started. 18:07 And Eric, very, very catalytically in the US, has been just convening these people, so they know each other, a lot of them, and then when they show up for the first time, they just feel like, oh, these are my people, like, this is like my, yeah, my tribe who I can learn from and grow with. And so, yeah, many, many cities, and we talk about one of our core values being a platformed ecosystem, and so when we get together or even when we do our monthly Zoom calls, we're all learning, we're all serving, we're all serving, we're all teaching, we're all you know we want to be. It's not about me or Rob or Eric being the great leader and teaching everyone. It's we really like, we really learn from everybody. And we are here I'm here to learn as well and grow. 19:03 - Speaker 3 That's really cool. So tell me a little bit more about the coaching that you offer to folks in your collective. What is it? Does it go into perpetuity, or do people join sort of cohorts or sections, and what are some of the things that they're getting coached on? 19:15 - Speaker 1 Yeah, so we're really we're in cohort three and we're figuring it out. We actually just put it all into a learning platform, which we're sort of doing as we were building the plane while it's flying and and so it's 12 months and it's. They meet once. We meet once a month, but we're trying to figure out. You know, especially for network leaders, starting out, do we do this biweekly? You know, in our next cohort We've always done it monthly, but that might change. 19:46 And so we use this tree framework and we intentionally use an agricultural metaphor for the coaching, because as a network leader it's not linear, we're always it's changing, adapting, growing, and so different parts of the tree would be like soil, for example, is like how do you know the context and ecosystem of your city? And so we'll, you know, talk about community exegesis, and how do you, how do you do that in the trunk, like how do you set up? Like the operations or infrastructure for, for a flourishing city network, or like the fruit and crown, you know, is like what's what, what fruit, or what you know? How do you do community engagement? Or how do you? You know what comes out of it? So we, so there's, you know, it's all agricultural metaphors for what we connected to, and there's 12. So we've just made it into 12 months and of course it keeps adapting and morphing and growing as we grow as well. 20:49 - Speaker 3 You mentioned, there's a community aspect of what you're building. What does that look like? 20:56 - Speaker 1 Yeah, so we do a monthly Zoom call. We also have started doing like we're trying to figure out regional calls as well, because the monthly all call is really welcome to anyone and everyone, even someone who's trying to learn about, you know, thinking about starting a city network, like anyone could just join that, or anyone who just wants to learn, like what is what's going on? Um, really anyone's welcome to join and it's a bit content heavy um. So we also want to create more regional space for relationships. So in Canada I also host a call just for Canadian and it's just city network leaders and we really just talk about the deeper stuff and pray for each other. Um, so very relationally focused um, and then we uh meet together at least once a year. We're trying to figure out regional. Also. We want we actually just did a survey actually on the density of our network because we just want to encourage more density, more people, more network leaders connecting with each other without, you know, city leaders collective needing to be even part of that. Right. 22:19 - Speaker 3 Would it be fair to say that you're a network of networks? 22:23 - Speaker 1 Yes, that's exactly how we would describe ourselves. 22:25 - Speaker 3 I don't know that I've encountered that in the ministry space. Is there anyone else trying to do that? 22:34 - Speaker 1 I don't know. 22:35 - Speaker 3 I don't think so. So we started building Faithfully about three years ago and because we're building technology to help ministries and networks and pastors, we've encountered a lot of what's out there and I think this is the first time landscape sort of reached a point of maturity when there weren't just investment funds like hedge funds and mutual funds, but there came to be fund of funds where investors could actually invest in like a number of different funds at once, and there's something really powerful about that structure. 23:26 - Speaker 1 Anyway, having a network of networks seems like something that has been missing for a long time. Yeah, and we haven't seen anyone really doing this within the city network space. It seemed like it was needed, which is where we were all kind of like, well, let's do this needed, which is where we were all kind of like well, let's do this Well, so talk to me about eligibility. 23:46 - Speaker 3 Is it interdenominational? Like what are some of the criteria that you look? 23:49 - Speaker 1 for? Are there criteria? Yeah, I mean denominationally. We would say Nicaea and Creed is the best thing to use and of course we can't. From our survey every single one of the networks we have worked with, there is evangelical representation in it in a hundred percent of them. But we really encourage people in cities to work with the whole church. So, catholic Orthodox mainline all the denominations is what we would, and it doesn't mean you have to agree with everything, is what we would and it doesn't mean you have to agree with everything. But how do you live out the unity Jesus prayed for without feeling like you all need to look alike? But yeah, we would still encourage that level of unity. So, yeah, we really are just there to support anyone who wants to start a city network. 24:41 We have a framework which is sort of our external vision framework that we would talk about called the four greats framework, and so if you want to see what we'd say is transformed or flourishing lives and communities or cities, if that's like the middle of the Venn diagram, we do that through, and this is something that I wish I had when I was starting a city network, because I was like how do I do this? We do that through the four greats. And so the great commandment love God and love your neighbor as yourself. The great compassion, which is serving the least of these and we, you know, see compassion and serving talked about over 2000 times in the Bible. And so how do we serve our communities and how do we even have a posture of service in this role as a city network leader? 25:23 The Great Commission go and make disciples. You know, we want to see evangelism happen and we want to see churches planted and we want that to be part of what a city network leader is thinking about. And then the great collaboration how do you do that together in the city? And so, quite often, we, what we've learned, is that most cities start by one, together, and or, you know, for those who start out of a, you know, a service project or a cause that they're working towards together in their city. Well, how do you also be praying together and doing evangelism together as well? Or, you know, so we want to see a holistic, you know holistic. Four greats lived out in every city, four greats. 26:25 - Speaker 3 I love that. Now for some of our listeners who may be encountering some of these networks and these ideas for the first time, I imagine some of them must be thinking well, this is so great, Like, of course, everyone wants to be involved in this. Thinking, well, this is so great, Like, of course, everyone wants to be involved in this. But as a practitioner, I imagine you've encountered challenges that there are some people who don't want to be a part of this. What are some of the reasons why? 26:49 - Speaker 1 they might not want to. Theologically, some people, whether it's far left or far right, struggle with anything that's in the middle. Uh, so I think those people self-select out and that's okay. Um, I wouldn't. I would say to a network leader don't let that discourage you. Uh, there's still a lot of people in your city that want to work together. Um, so, yeah, that's that's definitely tough. Um, yeah, I think maybe some people just being afraid you know what does that mean? Or I mean, I think too real thing too I see this especially in Quebec, where I live is pastors that just don't have time. You know, a lot of them are bivocational, um, and, and you know, are struggling to just like keep their church going, let alone try to meet with other pastors, like you know when, when they're just trying to get through the day. So I feel that pain too of some pastors who just feel like they don't have time for greater collaboration. 27:53 - Speaker 3 Yeah, that makes sense. So I think you mentioned you're pursuing your PhD in transformational leadership. 28:02 - Speaker 1 How far along are you in that? I actually just calculated it last week. I'm almost halfway. 28:07 - Speaker 3 Okay yeah, almost halfway is a very optimistic way to look at it. That's great. Now has your academic work? Has that informed your hands-on work, or the other way around, or both? 28:22 - Speaker 1 Yeah, like I'm doing my graduate work at Bakke Graduate University and I just love how they have they just let you contextualize all your work to your work and all your schoolwork to your real-life work, and so, yeah, it really helps your real life work. And so, yeah, it really helps. It's like any research I've done has been through my classes that really helped me do the work I do, and so it's, yeah, they're very, very completely connected. 28:53 - Speaker 3 And you have a master's in urban leadership. How does it work in graduate programs? Do you already know when you're doing your master's that you're going to be pursuing your PhD later? Or is that? Or do you take it step by step? 29:05 - Speaker 1 No, yeah, I finished my graduate work in 2010 and had no plans of going back. I thought I was done, until I had a dream where God was like no, you should do your doctoral work. Yeah, very, I really. I'm so glad God didn't give me that. Yeah, he might still. Um, yeah, I, I really did not plan to go back, um, but I mean, I always thought maybe one day, um, when my son was a bit older, and then my son got a bit older and I was like no, I'm good, um, but then, uh, yeah, I just had this really profound dream that I woke up at three in the morning and wrote it down and I was like, and I started praying through it and I just felt like it was something I needed to do. So I'm really not in a rush to do it. It's very okay, god, I'm doing this in obedience and, yeah, it's been really great, though. 29:54 - Speaker 3 Yeah, so almost halfway through. Does that mean that you've started to think about your dissertation, or is that somewhere down the line still? 30:00 - Speaker 1 I've thought about it. Yeah, I still don't know what exactly it will be, but I have a few thoughts on it. Okay, I can't wait to find out. 30:09 - Speaker 3 Yeah Well, so speaking of your son, you're married. You're actually here in the city this week with your husband. You have a son. Do you have any practical tips for others who may be on a similar journey to you, where you have big dreams and you have a lot of responsibilities at home and in the workplace? What are some things you've learned along the way that help you to do all of? 30:37 - Speaker 1 those things. Yeah, well, for one, I have a very supportive husband, so, and he, he's always like he, you know he always wanted to get married and have kids and so, yeah, being a great father has always been his, and he has a great father who, you know, they're both teachers, and so my husband became a teacher so he could have his summers off with his kids and so, um, yeah, having a husband who just loves being a dad and is an amazing dad, uh, and very hands-on dad, has been a real gift, and so we very much co like, do everything together, um, so, uh, and actually he might even be the better parent or more present parent right now. I should say, um, I was very, the very present parent the first five years. Um, and he, he does a bit more in terms of driving her son to school and that sort of thing, so he spends a bit more time with him, but we you know we we really do things together and um and and do things really well together, and so that has been really good. 31:40 I try to invite my family, my husband and my son, into what I do Um, it's just so they don't feel so disconnected from it. And, um, every night, my son and I pray and, uh, you know, if we're, if I'm traveling or speaking somewhere, you know he's all. You know he'll, he'll pray for the people that I'm speaking to. You know he'll he'll pray for the people that I'm speaking to and, uh, or you know, I, I just try to invite him into the this work as well. I mean, he's 10, so, um, he's still young, but, um, I, I just try to include them and if, if ever I travel and they could come with me, I try to do that too. Um, just cause I, I want them to be part of it as well. 32:21 - Speaker 3 Yeah, of course, yeah, all right. Last question for you you guys are a year and a half into building, so you're really you've barely scratched the surface right. There's a big vision and a lot ahead of you If there are leaders listening to this who really want to get in at the ground level of what you're doing how can they track with you and how can they get involved? 32:45 - Speaker 1 Yeah, good question. So you know, we're a year and a half in, so we're still figuring out a lot, but I think that we've decided on the name of something called engagement partners. So we have city partners who would be our city network leaders and their team, and then we have engagement partners who would really be those organizations who are helping a city network leader do one of the four greats really well, and so, or like a tool that is provided to a city network leader that is helping them, you know whether that's a tool like Faithly or Care Portal or whatever that is, or it's Alpha who's helping, or the Luis Palau Association who's helping. Those are engagement partners, yeah. 33:32 - Speaker 3 So just to use New York as an example to help bring it to life a little bit, so a city network might be Redeemer, city to City, or it might be for NYC, yeah. And then a city partner sorry, engagement partner would be one of these like Hope for New York Care Portal, one of those organizations doing one of the specific things. 33:51 - Speaker 1 Exactly, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, whatever that is that they're helping them do, maybe it's a global leadership summit that's helping them train leaders, maybe it's like, but you know, they generally fall into one of those four grades and you know, we would say that the four grades is like an operating system, and so an operating system needs to put apps on it, you know, and those apps need to, like, work together. 34:15 And so the network leaders really helping, you know, helping these apps work together for good, and so we need the apps, you know, we need the engagement partners that are gonna, that are gonna that a network leader will use to really help see their city flourish, and so that's sort of, I think, how we're seeing. It is like the city partners and then city engagement partners, and that's the ecosystem that we want to build to help see cities flourish. So how can someone get involved? Well, if they want to start a city network or join one, they could find one on our website or if there's nothing going on in their city and they want to help catalyze that happening, we would love to help them. And if they're like an engagement partner, well, we're figuring that out, so be our friend. 35:06 - Speaker 3 Well, that's super exciting. Thank you so much, Daria. This has been a really interesting conversation. I love what you're doing and can't wait to continue to follow along, yeah. 35:16 - Speaker 1 Yeah, thanks and thanks for all that you're doing to bring people together as well. It's important. We need tools and technology to help advance this as well. Thank you. 35:29 - Speaker 2 Thank you for tuning in to the Faithly Stories podcast. 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